@process 407591 wrote:

not a patch on what the french can do though really… :rolleyes:

And then they come over here to study because their unis are crap (i.e no better than 16-18 college) due to the funding being shared out across loads of unis and also some government funded place getting all the research funding instead as the students are “too busy protesting”, and they come here to squat buildings because the cops are less brutal and you don’t get right wing counterattacks much in the UK (instance when did you last hear of BNP/EDL evicting a squat, yet on squat.net I read squatters expulsés par skinheads :crazy_diz

Seriously the French dudes what used to put on parties with us in the UK always said “yeah it sounds good but the country is always having some strike/protest and it gets in the way if you want to carry on with your normal life, and the governments and business just ignore the protesters or pass the cost of repairing damages back to the taxpayer..

And enough of the French people who were youths in 1968 seem to have voted that idiot Sarkozy into power with a 80%+ turnout on elections (in our country its barely half the nation)

the one bit what made sense today was occupying the actual colleges and unis as they are the cause of the problem, its their managers what have been asking the govt for the right to charge these fees..

anyone on here actually in college or uni or planning to go?

@dequity93 407944 wrote:

yeah i go to college at the minute and am planning on going to uni next year.
i was at the protests today, some places got a bit angry but it was hardly crazy (especially where i was in cambridge) i just hope the government takes note that people actually care about the cuts; not just to education but to everything, when we can still manage to fund wars which we shouldn’t have been involved in IMO.

The government knew students would hate it, since when did they care what you lot think.

Good on ya though, wont work, but good luck

@dequity93 407954 wrote:

Also because hopefully someone will bring a louder soundsytem this time 😉

now your talkingraaa id be there with bells on if there was a loud rig! get em to have the protest on a saturday!:wink:

@dequity93 407954 wrote:

yeah its never going to work, there is no way they will change their minds to be fair.
theres going to be more protests though, i will still attend and stand up for us, even if i just about got away with a caution for catching a policemans hat which was thrown at me. stupid OB

Also because hopefully someone will bring a louder soundsytem this time 😉

if this govt won’t change their minds you can still vote in another one.. as well as protest remember that next time there is an election you will be of voting age and vote for a genuine social democratic party (the Lib Dems have proven the are not one) which is willing to fund education..

@1984 407963 wrote:

I remember going to the “Stop the Rape in Dafur” march and thinking it will never make much difference but still glad I went. Felt like a moral thing to do at least.

Good luck with it all

the problem here is not only would most people support the cause, it doesn’t cost Britain anything (AFAIK we’re not even deploying many soldiers to the UN force there, in comparison to the “Oilistan” conflicts)

The poll tax protests only worked because Thatcho was going batty anyway and her own colleagues wanted to stitch her up, and the wider population saw it as an opportunity to pay less tax. They then voted in the Tories back again in 1992.

Funding students would be spun as “needing more taxes” and thus lose support with the wider populace. This need not be the case but some methods of achieving it (such as a cap on top salaries to management in some organisations) will be viewed by many as an “unacceptable interference in the market” – or other alternatives (which unis are already doing) is reducing student numbers of non “market friendly” courses.

A much wider problem facing young folk today is in the 1990s during the better economic times, a load of creative arts/media courses were set up in the hope that there would be lots of paying jobs in content creation. this briefly happened, then the depression, outsourcing and a culture that “content should be free” hit at the same time. These jobs are gone and gone for good – so unlike something like mechanical engineering or proper electronic engineering (involving soldering irons as well as computers) the public can’t be expected to fund them.

I thought one protesters’ groups demand for transparency of uni finances was a really smart idea, as already we have some transparency of govt departments (if you want to read through a 100 page document of boring figures!)

TBH if I lived in Reading I would have gone up to the Oxford occupations and read some books! it would be the only way I could ever hope to get inside the Bodliean library and I could have called my mum from there and said “well, I did get into Oxford after all” :laugh_at:

apparently TVP busted in a door (with the permission of the Proctors) and hauled everyone out, but from what I’ve seen of the Radcliffe Camera (its called that because of the original sense of the Latin word, an enclosed space into which light is admitted), it is on a number of levels and looks like there are a fair number of places you could quietly hide up in 😉

one thing I feel strongly about is that if Universities are funded by our taxes, even if you aren’t a student you should be able to enter the library, and although not normally able to withdraw books from there you should be able to at least look at them in a quiet reference area…

I’ve not tried this yet at UCS as most of the place appears completely locked off to non-students :rant:

my parents pretty much forced me to go to uni. I fucking hated it, and did not stay there very long. I did learn about the Internet (two years before it was released to the public) and some useful things about computers and got access to things I wouldn’t have been able to afford normally. But this was 20 years ago, and now people can afford loads of cool stuff even if they don’t earn all that much.

I left in 1992. I only paid off my student loan in 2002 and it was a fraction of what they are now. Financially I’m just as well off as most graduates and at least had fun during the 90s. In recent times I have been socialising with people my age and older who did study hard and get good degrees and do all sorts of brainy things. A lot of them, unsurprisingly, worked up the road at British Telecom and were recruited as graduates and had really cool well paid jobs.

Half of them have all been laid off and are now competing with half the fucking world for work (and these are solid IT/engineering skills). The other half have had to accept boring ,soulless jobs with little creativity to stay in employment.

the funding for any creative project (other than self-funding) just isn’t there.

TBH I’d say to anyone what wants to go uni to study arts/creative subjects, don’t even bother. if you want to create art/music/multimedia stuff, just fucking do it!

don’t expect it to pay the bills though with regular work, those days are gone.

Just get a normal 9-5 job, save up your money and buy the equipment you’d normally use in uni. you can teach yourself and there are people online teaching for free (at least whilst youtube etc lasts). or get together, rent out cheap spaces and create your own “university”!

Hi Process ,
I hope that aint BCF(Bromochloromethane) or Halon same stuff , as that shit is not good for you . And Mister police man it is against Geneva protocols to set them off unless in the event of a fire . It adds to the ozone depletion , im sure they are not ment to use such things . If i was the fire extinguisher company that services those extinguishers i think the copper would be getting a nice bill right now .

Mister policeman im chargeing you for the miss use of extinguishers , anything you may say will be taken down and given in evidence . Oh and heres a ticket of an £80 fine ……role reversal lol .

Regards
Mungo

I wouldnt put it past a copper doing something like that. There are some that really get off on the power of the job. Grrr makes my blood boil when i talk about the po po

it is indeed halon a rather old one too looking at the body colour (all one colour rather than red + contents colour).

Used to see them a lot in the IT/telecoms industry, as computers do occasionally catch fire, with small fires, engineers often are expected (within reason!) to try and put out the fire minimise damage to the rest of the kit and/or even recover it once its safe to do so (especially in rooms with servers carrying business critical kit)

I remember them being banned a few years ago, and being told what nasty stuff it was. Of course if its a big fire you just call nines and GTFO quickly! some server rooms used to have halon dumps but these two are banned (in fact people being gassed in them is a common plot device in the BOFH stories)

As for the cops, unfortunately they all use these riots as an excuse to fight back against those they disagree with and settle old scores. Unfortunately though I expect the medic will get pulled up for this and get a bollocking, he’ll probably just lose the right to be a medic and stay in the force – and all his copper mates will still defend him…

more cunts in action

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makes me wanna go and protest against police brutality and join the students tbh.