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    cathdreadhead
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      About a month ago there was a guy round saying he was working for the goverment in collecting information from residents for a ‘National Survey’ said I was busy and about to leave the house so he left. Today another man has been round saying the same thing, he had ID and loads of paperwork.. he wanted to come in my flat and ask questions, which I refused.

      Has anyone else had this?

      Has anyone else also received a letter from National Statistics with ‘On her Majestys service’ on the back?

      There was an email address on the letter..http://www.statistics.gov.uk/default.asp

      wondering if this has anything to do with the ID cards..

      #1125391
      GiantMidget
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        Fair play for not letting him in even with ID you can’t be too careful. have you asked your neighbors if they’ve had similar encounters with these people? 😉

        #1146322
        GiantMidget
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          Fair play for not letting him in even with ID you can’t be too careful. have you asked your neighbors if they’ve had similar encounters with these people? 😉

          #1125385
          cathdreadhead
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            HemelRaver wrote:
            Fair play for not letting him in even with ID you can’t be too careful. have you asked your neighbors if they’ve had similar encounters with these people? 😉

            No. I’ve looked on the website that was on the letter but it doesn’t make much sense to me..loads of jargon about collecting data.. I dont want anything to do with it.. sounds intrusive.

            #1146316
            cathdreadhead
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              HemelRaver wrote:
              Fair play for not letting him in even with ID you can’t be too careful. have you asked your neighbors if they’ve had similar encounters with these people? 😉

              No. I’ve looked on the website that was on the letter but it doesn’t make much sense to me..loads of jargon about collecting data.. I dont want anything to do with it.. sounds intrusive.

              #1125392
              GiantMidget
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                Yeah i had a look as well, Doesn’t tell you much does it. If they knock again tell them that you don’t want to take part and if they keep at it, take their names and company name and telephone number and phone em directly.
                If it’s a mobile number and not a landline number phone your local police station and inform them about it. sounds a bit iffy to me:wink:

                #1146323
                GiantMidget
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                  Yeah i had a look as well, Doesn’t tell you much does it. If they knock again tell them that you don’t want to take part and if they keep at it, take their names and company name and telephone number and phone em directly.
                  If it’s a mobile number and not a landline number phone your local police station and inform them about it. sounds a bit iffy to me:wink:

                  #1125373
                  General Lighting
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                    These surveys are quite common in some areas.

                    They deliberately tend to pick Sheffield in the North and Reading in the South as these are viewed as the two most “average” areas of England.

                    They aren’t actually interested in individuals but groups of statistics – they don’t even ask for full names – the info they collect is anonymised and encrypted and is supposed to be available to all on the website to get an idea of various statistics in Britain.

                    You can actually download loads of stuff from that site but a lot of it is detailed and complicated or fairly obscure (such as 10% of all over-65s in England and wales complaining that there were mice/rats in their house!)

                    There is no obligation to complete the surveys though, and if you refuse to do so the collectors should not persist in asking you.

                    #1146304
                    General Lighting
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                      These surveys are quite common in some areas.

                      They deliberately tend to pick Sheffield in the North and Reading in the South as these are viewed as the two most “average” areas of England.

                      They aren’t actually interested in individuals but groups of statistics – they don’t even ask for full names – the info they collect is anonymised and encrypted and is supposed to be available to all on the website to get an idea of various statistics in Britain.

                      You can actually download loads of stuff from that site but a lot of it is detailed and complicated or fairly obscure (such as 10% of all over-65s in England and wales complaining that there were mice/rats in their house!)

                      There is no obligation to complete the surveys though, and if you refuse to do so the collectors should not persist in asking you.

                      #1125376
                      globalloon
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                        General Lighting wrote:
                        the info they collect is anonymised and encrypted

                        darling?

                        #1146307
                        globalloon
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                          General Lighting wrote:
                          the info they collect is anonymised and encrypted

                          darling?

                          #1125374
                          General Lighting
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                            if other govt departments followed the ONS procedures and systems there wouldn’t be so much stuff being lost (much of this is due to part-privatisation of services, and the use of insecure transfer methods)

                            I’ve seen an ONS workers laptop in action, they actually do use a custom designed application which generates what looks like a random data file rather than bog-standard Microsoft or Oracle applications – if the machine got lost it would be a non trivial job to decode it (and they don’t store the names and addresses on the same machines) – nearly all govt depts had custom systems (usually built in house) like this until fairly recently, but many have moved to MS/Oracle as part of various outsourcing deals (this is the source of most of the leaks/insecurities in public sector IT)

                            this is probably what the survey is about

                            http://www.statistics.gov.uk/about/surveys/default.asp

                            but if you tell them you won’t fill it in because you are concerned about the risk of data loss, then they have to feed back that response to the survey managers 😉

                            #1146305
                            General Lighting
                            Moderator

                              if other govt departments followed the ONS procedures and systems there wouldn’t be so much stuff being lost (much of this is due to part-privatisation of services, and the use of insecure transfer methods)

                              I’ve seen an ONS workers laptop in action, they actually do use a custom designed application which generates what looks like a random data file rather than bog-standard Microsoft or Oracle applications – if the machine got lost it would be a non trivial job to decode it (and they don’t store the names and addresses on the same machines) – nearly all govt depts had custom systems (usually built in house) like this until fairly recently, but many have moved to MS/Oracle as part of various outsourcing deals (this is the source of most of the leaks/insecurities in public sector IT)

                              this is probably what the survey is about

                              http://www.statistics.gov.uk/about/surveys/default.asp

                              but if you tell them you won’t fill it in because you are concerned about the risk of data loss, then they have to feed back that response to the survey managers 😉

                              #1125393
                              JonnyQuest
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                                tell him to fuck off cause you aint catering to the man

                                #1146324
                                JonnyQuest
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                                  tell him to fuck off cause you aint catering to the man

                                  #1125395
                                  shift
                                  Participant

                                    i had a similar thing happen to me, and it was some mandatory government thing like this, every 4th house in the street or some crap. Anyway this bloke’s coming around once a month asking random questions. First time i did the sieve was out side the front door, second time we let him in, third time he turned up on a Friday arvo. let him in. had a few mates over wear all getin mashed. needless to say we didn’t see him again.:cry:

                                    #1146326
                                    shift
                                    Participant

                                      i had a similar thing happen to me, and it was some mandatory government thing like this, every 4th house in the street or some crap. Anyway this bloke’s coming around once a month asking random questions. First time i did the sieve was out side the front door, second time we let him in, third time he turned up on a Friday arvo. let him in. had a few mates over wear all getin mashed. needless to say we didn’t see him again.:cry:

                                      #1125384
                                      coastie
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                                        I really hate this kind of thing, government forcing themselves into your home.

                                        #1146315
                                        coastie
                                        Participant

                                          I really hate this kind of thing, government forcing themselves into your home.

                                          #1125386
                                          cathdreadhead
                                          Participant

                                            I wasnt going to let him in cos the flat still stank of spliff..and other reasons…

                                            #1146317
                                            cathdreadhead
                                            Participant

                                              I wasnt going to let him in cos the flat still stank of spliff..and other reasons…

                                              #1125378
                                              elretardo87
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                                                I don’t open the door unless I’m expecting someone or a parcel.

                                                If they persist I just shout at them to fuck off and hassle someone else. Its not just that I don’t like people coming into my house unless I trust them its more that I can’tr be arsed gettin dressed.

                                                #1146309
                                                elretardo87
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                                                  I don’t open the door unless I’m expecting someone or a parcel.

                                                  If they persist I just shout at them to fuck off and hassle someone else. Its not just that I don’t like people coming into my house unless I trust them its more that I can’tr be arsed gettin dressed.

                                                  #1125387
                                                  cathdreadhead
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                                                    elretardo87 wrote:
                                                    I don’t open the door unless I’m expecting someone or a parcel.

                                                    If they persist I just shout at them to fuck off and hassle someone else. Its not just that I don’t like people coming into my house unless I trust them its more that I can’tr be arsed gettin dressed.

                                                    agreed

                                                    #1146318
                                                    cathdreadhead
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                                                      elretardo87 wrote:
                                                      I don’t open the door unless I’m expecting someone or a parcel.

                                                      If they persist I just shout at them to fuck off and hassle someone else. Its not just that I don’t like people coming into my house unless I trust them its more that I can’tr be arsed gettin dressed.

                                                      agreed

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