I once got mugged in Kings Cross, if i ever catch that toe rag i will personally chop his dick off!

Maybe Capital punishment for THOSE types of crimes would be a good idea!

scottsummers

Andy – dunno if you’re talking about another party but the main one last weekend was TOM?

they have very good and effective security which can stand up to the London gangs and is reducing the number of incidents – but even then some happened (which ties in with what you are saying about how evil they are). It seems that some elements see this security as a challenge rather than a deterrent…

Unfortunately that is probably about as good as it is ever going to get in London…

i’ve been mugged 8 times all together (including attempts) and while it has scetched me out for a while after the event, it also is kind of a releif. in our society, i expect to be mugged (and always have) especially wandering around with jesus hair in a kaftan (as i do occasionally) i look like the sort of bloke who’d turn their cheek, and i am. so i look like a victim basically. if you want to read some proper dark shit, check out:
http://partyvibe.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2333

i’m not a big fan of religion, but buddhism seems the nearest to good i can see. and their reaction to the chinese invasion (which is now complete, tibet no longer exists) is a beacon of light to me. they would not fight their agressors, not because they didn’t think they could manage it (which they couldnt) or for any reason other than they dont beleive in violence, and do beleive in karma. they recon that the cycles of life will repay the tibeteans and get back at the chinese, if that is what is meant to be. they just went on a mission to say to loads of other countries “look at what is happening to us”. you can say they failed, but i think they have won. they may have been slaugtered, but not as much as if they’d gone to war. they still have their integrity. they have not been broken.

bit random, i know, but it applies. when i get mugged, i’m just glad that i am some one with enough to steal, and not someone who is forced to steal due to poverty or addiction. i think they have a worse life than me, and truly beleive that what they need are oppotunity and rehabilitation, not punishment. if we had capital punishment i’d move or become militant. society is defined by its laws. i feel ill at ease with 80% of imprisonments, and the structure of the ob is bad enough, without descending furthur into a more self destructive and counterproductive mode of living.

bottom line: property and money doesnt mean shit. life and freedom does.

rant over.

i think a distinction has to be made between threatening someone to get their cash, and actually hurting them. if someone intimidates me well enough and i have some small cash (under £20) or a phone, i’ll quite happily give it up. means nothing to me. but if someone physically abuses me, thats assault, and a different matter. no one should have to cope with that.

for me the only reason for incarcerating someone is if you cannot realisically have them in your society. i think this is only applicable for murder, rape, gbh, and repeat offenders of assault, etc.

we are all part of society, and one of the reasons people are like that is because society doesn’t work too wel, and is horrifically bias to the rich. in a way, i see being robbed or burgled as a wanker tax, for not doing my bit to prevent these people having to resort to extreme measures.

yes, there are some people who arent that interested in cash and are psychpathic, that is they just want to cause other people pain. but it is a mental condition which arises from a cetain life. to let people get to such a deluded and sorry state, and then lock them up when they act accordingly seems perverse at least, to me.

as for the crews who frequent london parties, there just needs to be more organisation by the crews to expect and deal with trouble. another problem is the london mentality, of not giving a fucking shit about anyone else but yourself, a total lack of solidarity to your fellow man. mugging happen in parties because people let them. in our parties, everyone knows whos side theyre on, and looks out for one another. there is unity and respect. that is missing from cities, and it is the fault of our rullers and our media. and all the little “its not my problem crew” who should all be rounded up and subjected to every horror they have turned a blind eye to.

check this out…got it of sj:

Knife terror on London bus
Daily Mail Reporter

23 February 2005

It was a routine Monday morning bus journey – until this well-built youth headed towards the rear seats, his outstretched hand gripping a knife.

His target was the mobile phone owned by another passenger, and to get it the attacker repeatedly stabbed his victim, inflicting terrible injuries. A woman sitting just a couple of feet away was clearly terrified by the horror unfolding in front of her but was trapped.

She ended up cowering in the corner of the No 133 bus to save herself from the knifeman.

Other passengers were able to flee from the top deck, their screams alerting the driver.

He stopped the vehicle, called help and the victim was taken to hospital. But the attacker escaped and is still on the loose.

The 21-year-old victim’s ordeal – captured on CCTV cameras – left him with deep wounds to his neck and head from the 5in knife.

One scar on his neck is 4in long and the tendons on his left hand were severed.

Detective Sergeant John Freeman said the attack in Kennington, South London, was ‘ferocious and vicious’.

He added: ‘The victim was very lucky not to have died. This could have been a murder investigation.

‘This was an extremely violent attack with a large knife which resulted in injuries which could have cost this man his life.

‘The victim said his attacker was trying to steal his phone and that he had never met him before so it looks like the motive was robbery.

‘But it is very unusual to have a daylight robbery on a packed bus.’

Police need witnesses to the attack at 11.50am on February 7 in Kennington Park Road. Detective Sergeant Freeman added: ‘From the CCTV images, you can see there were a number of people on board but everyone decamped sharpish after the attack.

‘It would have been very frightening for everyone on board.

‘No one has come forward but we are appealing for any witness.’

The attacker was described as black, in his late teens, wearing a dark blue anorak, dark trousers and a beenie hat.

dunno what to make of this…to my idealisitc mind, i would say that the attacker is a psychopath who should have been treated in a mental insitution (not that they work, but are the right idea). it is the fault of the government for not providing the resources to identify and treat such mentally unstable people.

mmm…..daily mail-a-rific

You are quite right about the culture bit – its the “hard man” culture that has been part of London life for many years in some areas. In some cases they do not even particularly want the phones, money etc!

This was TBH happening even in the early 90s; people didn’t get jacked for their phones that often; but simply only because there weren’t many phones to nick! I do think though that the proportion of scum is slowly increasing in some big city areas (not just London)- due to the breakdown of civil society in some regions.

Even former “safe havens” such as Reading have had problems, although they have been nipped in the bud by taking quick action, and the fact that many people know one another.

There are those who attend events (both free and licensed) merely for the buzz creating fear amongst others, and making them expect to see violence at parties.

From many of the posts I saw on DC and SJ it appears they are actually succeeding in doing so. Other reports mention these scum often fight amongst themselves as much as try to jack people!

They were indeed removed from TOM (and Scotland Yard were waiting for them outside!) ; OTOH I don’t think they are that stupid and know exactly what the score is.

Scum like that have destroyed commercial licensed events, which have large bulky security staff in some number equipped with personal radios and floor plans, incident training – people who can patrol a territory to the same standard as a military unit.

Munt have had security for months, even then scum still try to challenge it (by attempting to enter through windows, fire exits etc). Bear in mind preventing them doing so also involves blocking a fire-exit 🙁

Worse still last weeks events with the cops will no doubt lead to word on the estate “the people who organise raves are grasses” – I expect it was a pure coincidence cops were there (perhaps a neighbour complained) at the time the robbers were ejected; but you know what i mean.

I know many of the ToM crew and they are sound (and very brave for dealing with this), I hope things do not get too heavy for them in the future.

It must be fairly soul-destroying for London rigs to have to put up with this every weekend; but thats what happens when they collectively ignore or refuse to address a problem at the start. The (trained) security should have been there in the mid 90s

And some people are not joking about corporal punishment; in the mid 90s some London parties did have vigilanté types who dealt with the muggers or anyone they “thought” was misbehaving, they would be taken round the back and done over. This didn’t stop the violence – it often just turned it into a “hit and run away” type incident or led to reprisal attacks,and the vigilantés were often as bad as the muggers themselves (many thought they were fighting for dealing turf as well)

I think people from outside London may still have the chance to learn from the mistakes made though…